Obsessed by numbers

With some interest I’ve been following all the discussions and reviews online about the D800 vs the 5DMKIII. To be honest I think there are some very interesting things going on, I love the way the D800 handles pulling up shadows for example, but I do wonder what would have happened if for example Canon released a 33MP version instead of 22, or the D800 would have been a 24MP version instead of 36MP…. As far as I can see almost everything I wished for in the 5DMKII is now in the MKIII like better AF, more fps (always nice), better bracketing for HDR (7 over an -8 – +8 range) is awesome, better Auto ISO, better video, same output via HDMI resolution wise etc. everything is here now so I’m happy, and let’s be honest….. 22MP is more than enough for almost everything you do or ever will do.

So I wonder… all we are just falling into the deep pit of the megapixel race again and forgetting what photography is all about ?
Recently I added a comment in a thread about Medium Format vs the D800, and I did want to post that also here on my blog, feel free to add to my opinion, or if you don’t agree feel free to add your opinion.

 

It’s a bit like comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.

 

First of all :
Sensor size.
You can not compare a DSLR sensor to a sensor from a MF camera.
Due to the larger sensor the LOOK of the images is different, already mentioned before the DOF is totally different but also the angle of view. Of course one could choose a 50mm on a DSLR and a 80mm on a MF but still the look is different.

 

Then we have :
1 fps for MF which is a great tempo to work with for for example fashion, this could be solved by firmware on a DSLR I know, but it isn’t yet.

 

With leaf shutter lenses you can go up to 1/1600 with strobes or higher.
I know that with SOME strobes and Pocketwizard you can get there also using Hypersync but for example in my setup (all A heads on Rangers/Quadras) it simply doesn’t go higher than 1/350, I can go higher with a D-lite but those I don’t use outside and that’s were it counts.

 

Diffraction, with the 33MP Leaf AptusII I can shoot without any problem on F16-F22, with my 5DMKIII I see a degradation in the image above F11 on some lenses.

 

But maybe more importantly, when shooting for example fashion MF makes it possible to shoot from the SAME distance with longer lens and higher shutter speed with strobes, meaning we can get shallow DOF while fighting the sun (using strobes on full power).

 

The MP monster
I really wonder if we had the same conversation if the D800 would have been released with 24MPs. It seems that as soon as people see a camera with the same amount of MPs that MF has the discussion starts up again. By the way I will not say that the D800 or 5DMKIII is a bad camera, but I base my decision which one to buy/use on the “horses for courses” idea. Meaning with AF nothing beats a DSLR, High ISO DSLR again, recovery from shadow areas seems the D800(E), however when I want to shoot a studio fashion series where I control the light there is no need for lighting up the shadows, but here the 1fps is ideal, the extra shutter speeds with strobes and of course the totally different DOF, meaning for those sessions nothing at the moment beats a MF camera…..

 

Future
Now fast forward a few years (maybe shorter)
The first REAL mirror less camera is released, no more limitations in shutter speeds with strobes, we get a 24MP foveon type sensor (real 24MP) I think now is the time I will sell my MF gear and forget about the different look, working with one camera for all sounds very tempting, especially because we travel around a lot, and dragging two complete sets can be very cumbersome (and expensive). But I will NEVER make that decision based on MP’s alone.

 

I do wish to add that the D800(e) is a very fine camera, especially the Sony sensor looks very promising, but when I look at 100% crops we shot during a workshop in our studio I do find that fine details in hairs look a bit “chaotic” compared to the razor-sharp MF files, also even with the use of color checkers I can’t get the colors in the neighborhood of the Leaf Aptus back, and skin tones are without a doubt the most important thing for me, so even when I would forget all the rest, for skin tones alone I would not think about switching.

 

But the future looks promising let’s hope the technology also drips through to MF camera, I would love to have a system I can use up to ISO6400 (heck even 3200 would be great) with the same quality my 5DMKIII gives me, add some killer AF and I’m more than happy, but up until than I will choose the camera for each assignment, and for studio/strobe work at THE moment nothing beats my MF system.

 

Now one final thought.
Can I deliver all my commercial work with a DSLR…. ?
yep.
No problem at all, it will look different but when the client doesn’t know the alternative that will be no problem at all, for example I can use ND filters to “help” with the strobes outside and 22MP is more than enough for almost any publication.
So why invest in a MF system?

 

Simply put… because I want the best quality I can get, it’s a personal opinion, if you just want to make money get a good pro level DSLR with a 24-75 and 70-200 lens, some good strobes and you can work forever with that, never needing to upgrade, they did with far worse in the 70’s and 80’s and the magazines haven’t gotten bigger 😀

 

If you however are driven by passion to deliver the absolute best out there and LOVE working the MF way, I think MF is the way to go for now.

 

In the end it’s actually all a bit silly that we look at technique and forget about the thing that really counts…. getting the shot. And me personally I would rather get the shot on the very unprofessional “P” setting with Auto ISO and bracketing than not getting the shot 😀 (not to say that I do, but I think you get the general idea), maybe we are too obsessed by the numbers and forget the essence of photography… getting the shot.

4 replies
  1. Aryan Aqajani
    Aryan Aqajani says:

    Could not agree more, Frank! Cameras are tools! Each tool is different and one cannot replace one another! I would rather to have a 10MP strong photograph than a 200MP image that does not convey any emotion, feelings or story!

  2. Leo Koach
    Leo Koach says:

    “So I wonder… all we are just falling into the deep pit of the megapixel
    race again and forgetting what photography is all about ?”

    Bingo… that’s exactly what’s going on. Some of us, not me for sure, is not photographer but obsessed with new gears instead. A good true photographer, just like a loyal car owner, would stick with the gear for longest time, unless if it is necessary to change it %100.

    I would like to see people worrying about lights more than cameras… even though wedding photography and indoor sport need some special cameras, it still is the moment rather than quality… this subject makes me little angry, but I am used to hear it very often by now.

    When you’re talking about D800 vs 5DMKIII, it sounds like a joke to me, because I am producing pretty good images with my 11 years old machine, and I don’t think I could produce better images if I had one of those machines… I have to work on my lights and perspective not working on my ISO or thinking about a print the size of moon.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/leokoach/sets/72157628072315856

    Those pictures are not PnS camera, but there is no reason anyone could produce such images with one…

    “and the magazines haven’t gotten bigger” Bingo again… there were billboards then, and now also.

    to call yourself a good photographer, you have to produce unique images not necessarily quality images…

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/leokoach/7149427473/in/set-72157629980411699/lightbox
    (Taken with Canon 350D Rebel XT, Canon 50mm 1.8 lens)

    …the moment, not the iso!

    • Anders_HK
      Anders_HK says:

      Is it an obsession of the number of pixels? I think yes, and also that the obsession is driven by marketing and commercial reasons for pixels and sale of more new cameras and not image quality.

      If we look at history, the 6MP Leaf Volare was introduced in 1998 and the 2.7MP Nikon D1 was introduced a year later. Thus what is new with 80MP Leaf and the one year later 36MP D800e ??? Even the factor between the MFDB vs DSLR MPs remain same !!! Perhaps what differs is that more people nowadays buys the D800 than did the D1 and perhaps that more of that number are the ones dreaming of a Ferrari when buying a Toyota ???

      Yet any camera is a tool. We need use one we feel comfortable with. Current mine is 80MP Leaf. Ok, I am sure soon will be 160MP. Will I need or buy it? I think not because image quality I have now is already surpassing what else I prior shot. I traded five camera systems for this one with two lenses and found a tool in Rolleiflex Hy6 system that has put me back to a thing called photography and taking images, which is what I truly enjoy. I am also feel fed up on new gear things and thrive on what is simple and can deliver excellence per my vision and also challenge it. Putting pixels aside the 80MP sensors are a bench mark for the image quality they deliver. While 28&33MP Leafs deliver superb image quaity there is yet another step that makes me ask what more would I need. The image quality of the 80MP (pixels aside) is also what finally and not expected made me drop all film.

      There was one notable aspect of medium format sensors not mentioned: they are designed for optimum image quality at low ISO and unlike DSLR not for a broader range ISO. Makes diference? Ferrari vs Toyota is it not? delivers top for a narrow duty…

      Something else is also the camera. I have been blown away by the Hy6. The waist level finder is a magnificent tool to visualize an image, 6x6cm large. I fail to comprehend why a mirror less camera could provide for a pre-visualization because it will already be an altered vision. Add the 6x7cm “traditional” sized Leaf display which remain the largest made, and as tilt display and rotatibg sensor, Yet it is mere a yummy tool that helps me visuaize and take images… with more superb image quality than any DSLR will deliver for many many years (low ISO). Even when they will do so the photographic expience will be entirely different, and so I believe will be the images. Medium format encourges a slower and more deliberate pace, yielding better images. DSLR encourges quick shots and with too many buttons makes me feel lost and out of control… Yet the tool is an indvidual choice, and based on what shoot.

      Mamiya? Had ZD camera, AFD, AFD3, many lenses = many issues and crummy ergonomics, happy I dropp it. Yet that is mere per me…, and the new Leaf backs have a surpricing smaller display…

  3. Blips
    Blips says:

    I’m more driven by the economics and my significant other that means the $$$ while so happy with my Canon 7D 18 megapixels, a 24-70 and a 70-200 what more do I need? It is not my main source of income so the wife said no a few times. Wife happy, me happy is the clue here. I know I want a full frame but that is not going to happen real soon. The megapixels? I do not care about that so much. My pictures are on the web or in a powerpoint presentation not in print that is why. I do agree with what Frank said about high quality but his photography has different purpose and demands the best gear. Great discussion nevertheless. 

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